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Started by MikeyC , Feb 02 2009 02:52 PM

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#16 Guest Scott Mansager

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 07:36 PM

QUOTE(RonCummins @ Feb 3 2009, 01:21 PM)

If memory serves me, Scott Mansager was on the seeding committee that didn't see fit to seed or place Peter and Artie. I have never understood Goodspeed - Mansager's grudge against the Short Hills Invitational. As tournament chairman one year, I personally called Scott and asked him to consider coming back. Obviously, they have decided not to. Their choice, but it does seem petty.

Hi Ron,

I was on the ranking committee at the time and we did seed/place Artie and Peter in the top 16, but the SH tournament committee over rode our recommendation and placed a local team in the top 16 which knocked Artie and Peter out. Fritz Odenbach, who was national ranking chairman, briefly resigned from his position in protest and I didn't appreciate it either. I thought it was very disrespectful to our ranking committee - especially considering the time that we take to go through the teams to determine who should be seeded/placed based on points and other things. If we hadn't of seeded/placed them then I wouldn't have had a complaint on playing them at 8 am in the first round - it was a full 32 draw.

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#17 MikeyC

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 07:43 PM

Looks like MikeyC was right again.

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#18 Guest Lobber

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 08:32 PM

Always great to see Mikey C referring to himself in the 3rd person.

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#19 Guest Paddler

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 09:01 PM

I guess the real question at this point is whether the tournament committee at the S.H.I.T. is the same as it was back during the great Peter/Art seeding debacle of whatever year it was. If the committee is completely different than it really doesn't make much sense for such a great team to hold a grudge and rob the great NJ paddle fans of seeing the Hall of Famers in action. Regardless Jersey gets it fair share of incredible paddle all year and such an incident, while a shame, won't stop the die hards from making bonfires and cheering on the warriors.

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#20 Guest Dave B

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 09:12 PM

Scott-
I was not on the Tournament Committee at the time, but I do remember it clearly. Peter/Artie were never mentioned when it came to seeding or placement. The statement that the Committee did not do what the Seeding Comm wanted is not true at all. Because I remember clearly everyone waiting to see where Peter/Artie would get picked. Also, you did not play them in the round of 32 at 8:00AM. You had a bye in the first round and they played a match and won to play you.
Reguardless, its been years now and is over. You and Flip would raise the level of the Short Hills Invitational by participating. Its too bad you dont play in the Tournament.
Dave

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#21 Marjorie

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 09:23 PM

Here you go guys:

  Women's B Draw
  Men's 95+ Draw
  Women's A Draw
  Men's A Draw
  Men's B Draw
  Men's 115 Draw

Edited by paddlepro, 06 February 2009 - 03:19 PM.
link to B draw added

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#22 Guest SH Fan

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 09:24 PM

I got an email saying the starting times are up on paddlepro. Can somebody tell me where. This is much more important that a 10 year old feud that sounds like a complete misunderstanding on both sides.

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#23 Bania

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 09:41 PM

Impressive A draw. Initial thoughts:
1. Brutal 2nd quadrant up top-- Wright, O'Connor, Lorenzeti, Caldwell
2. Caldwell/Cosimano-- wouldn't want to be anywhere near them in this draw
3. Odenbach vs. Gruenberg/Williams 1st rd-- 3 legends of the game on the same court
4. tough 16s match for Rothschild/Schmitt
5. Broderick/Moore look to have good draw, that is until the quarters

I hear the soup at this tournament is the best.

SH Fan, perhaps clicking on the draws would be a good start. That advice is gold.

Kenny Bania
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#24 Guest Bigfoot

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 10:14 PM

Wow, what a draw!

Let's look at the sure things vs. upsets, starting at the top:

Uihlein/Keevins easily getting into the quarters but not before a one-on-one "who's dick is bigger" pegging match in the second round Uihlein vs. duRandt:  Uihlein wins the peg total 17-14 but duRandt's hurt a little more and deflates chubby boy's ego, who proceeds to hit 11 spin overhead winners  as well as 15 FYMs in a row to prove that he "still got it".

Cosi/Caldwell (whatever happened to Cordish?) will beat Ruppert/Wright 2 & 2 in 2 hours and 87 minutes.  Match point alone lasted 25 minutes, with team C/C at the net, of course.

First upset of the draw (and it pains me to go against my homeys), Slobin & Fitzgerald will beat Lubow & DeRose.  Actually, I should say the latter self-destructs, trying to set a world record in drop-shots, including off their own serve aka the drop serve.  Final drop-shot count:  323 drop shots attempted, 127 of which clean winners, 228 misses, and the rest (119) the jury is still out on what to call them.  I hope I will be wrong as I would pay $ to watch a shotfest quarter D/L vs. Bancila/Easterbrook.

Bancila/Easterbrook into the semis in what can be a highly entertaining match either against the defending champs or (yes, OR) Caldwell/Cordish.  That quarter is a toss-up in my opinion and that of my other expert colleagues.

Cochrane/Estes easily into the quarters, where they will lose to Rothschild/Schmitt in straight sets.  Or win in straight sets - that match will not be a three setter.  Assuming R/S get there since their second round match is very tough vs. Jonasson and Albrikes.  All three matches a toss-up, any team could go through.  My pick is Rothschild/Schmitt, who will attempt to be the first team ever to win SH without hitting one lob - very doable.

Broderick/Moore ousted and outplayed in the 2nd round by Engel & Martin.

Marino & Stulac will cruise into the semis after a 6 & 6 win vs. Engel/Martin (both tie-breakers 13-11).

Sooo, semis Caldwell/Cosimano vs. Bancila/Easterbrook and Rothschild/Schmitt vs. Stulac/Marino.  Take your pick, you have a 25% chance of getting it right.

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#25 Guest Parsons

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 12:47 AM

Cochrane/Estes to take title...

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#26 Guest rolo tomasi

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 01:32 AM

Hey bigfoot, nice math. What is the record for drop shots in a match? ___ Daggers? 1. Baggers (Butt Daggers)? 0. Started working in the JessicaALBAcaptainKIRKjunKEY. It will take a while, though, and for southpaws it should have taken a right, so where is that, Pismo beach?

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#27 Snuggie

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 01:59 AM

whoever has the audacity to beat me on saturday has to wear my snuggie.......hmmm, my draw just got a a lot easier.......

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#28 Al Roker

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 01:50 PM

Current temp:13°F Wind: SW at 0 mph Humidity: 65%

Fri32°F | 22°F

Sat 43°F | 38°F

Sun 50°F | 25°F

On Saturday expect a mid morning warming, after lunch temperatures will break freezing and be unseasonably warm.
Here are the teams that will be most affected by the weather.

Keevins / Uihlein: Warm dry weather will give opponents a chance, not a favorable forecast for this duo.
Cochrane / Estes: Estes will have to find a way to carry Mike through the morning chill, after lunch MikeyC antics will have much greater affect.
Rothschild / Schmidt: Cold morning will decrease their lobbing to .05%, warm afternoon will increase drives to 99.999%
DeRose / Lubow: Should move to Chicago where weather if favorable for dropshots, look for first loss as temp passes 35°
Gruenberg / Williams: Great afternoon for retro white tennis shorts!
Crosta / Kelly: Bring your snuggies you will need them after 2nd round loss.
Arraya / Misitrano: cold still morning air will carry Arraya screams back to Long Island
Marino / Stulac: cold morning plays into Stulac net game. Warm noon plays into Stulac speed. Marino...has a great partner.